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Offline Lady Penelope

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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2011, 09:51:28 PM »
At the risk of repeating myself, the reason Jan (like myself) is not a Licence Payer is that we dont have UK Television.

However in my case I am a UK taxpayer - is it correct that it is the Taxpayer who is paying for these junkets, not the licence payer?  Do you know why?

You are right about Cassandra and sadly I think your forebodings are equally correct!

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Re: Radio 7 abolished
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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2011, 01:31:45 PM »
I\'m wondering if they get this international iPlayer thing happening, will they make allowances for ex-pats like Penny to get it without ads or payment?
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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2011, 01:45:30 PM »
Huh, just found out they\'re hiring.
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Offline Lady Penelope

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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2011, 10:51:44 PM »
RANT ALERT





I\'m wondering if they get this international iPlayer thing happening, will they make allowances for ex-pats like Penny to get it without ads or payment

Sweet of you , Jan, but I havent seen any porcine aerobics around recently.

The British Government penalise expats.   I pay UK income tax on my hard earned pension (and before the cost forced me to sell my house in the |UK, the rent) without any of the benefits.    Even renewing a passport is an expensive ordeal, and after l5 years I cannot even vote* for the Government that is spending my money on foreign and fiscal policies I deplore./

I am not bothered about TV which I dont have anyway |(English language that is:-, local is Govt. funded and/or adverts) but I hope the BBC will continue to provide free radio for   everyone everywhere. but not holding my breath.

I have to pay for my own medical care and  build up a fund for serious emergencies and necessary care in old age.  To save from the meagre amount I am allowed to keep after paying MPs inflated expenses and bankers bonuses, I live like a hermit 90% of the time, buy clothes and books from cheap markets, slave in the garden, collect driftwood for thefire, etc.
No way can or will I subsidize the excesses of the BBC as well.

As for ads, I am not keen, but if necessary will cope.   I seem to remember that a lot of the ads on UK commercial TV were
actually more entertaining than the inane jingles and drivel that interrupt Radio 7.  And , since hope springs eternal and is free, maybe the cold light of commerce will bring the Beeb to its senses.


*This raises an interesting point.  A fellow sufferer was recently heard to complain that this is contrary to the Magna Carta \"no taxation without representation\".   Thinking about it afterwards, surely that is from the American Declaration of Independence!?

Hmmmm...........

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« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2011, 11:19:59 PM »
Lady Penelope Wrote:
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> *This raises an interesting point.  A fellow
> sufferer was recently heard to complain that this
> is contrary to the Magna Carta \"no taxation
> without representation\".   Thinking about it
> afterwards, surely that is from the American
> Declaration of Independence!?
>
> Hmmmm...........

Alas, like democracy in Athens, Magna Carta and its later variants applied only to the wealthy and powerful; the hoi polloi noticed no difference, apart from being oppressed and robbed blind by the local bully boys with impunity. As none of your tax is going to the BBC you have nothing to complain about.

By the way, have you noticed that the Trust, the progenitor of the report, now have a new chairman - Patton of Hong Kong?

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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2011, 12:10:14 AM »
Guzzling Gob-stoppers!
He who could not get himself re-elected egad!
He of the Poll Tax repute! Oh Lord! preserve us!

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Offline Lady Penelope

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2011, 12:52:29 AM »
Well Con, its my belief (though I am open to considering proof to the contrary) that the Government (whom I do pay) control the BBC - if only because they control the purse strings.   Radio, which comprises a very small part of the BBCs total budget) has traditionally been free to everyone, and is a real social benefit to people, particularly elderly and disabled housebound) who cant afford a television licence - both in the UK and abroad.   Actually - subject to the method of payment - I would probably find the money to pay  proportionately for a good basic  radio service , but I would not on principal even if I could afford it   pay for the current extravagances of the BBC,

I have made the point before that if I could have accessed World Service - for which until recently I did pay and should have been able to get but for the BBCs failure in output - I would not have needed to go the expense of accessing the rest of the BBC>,  That situation is now changed of course.

The fairest solution - though unfortunately | doubt if it is technically feasible - would be pay on demand for both TV and radio so people like myself who only have time to listen or  on watch for short periods would not be subsidisi ng a wide range of programmes as well as technical experimental that are useless to them.   With reductions for UK  taxpayer pensioners etc as I understand is available for television in the UK   After all, and to mention a very small item, I already subsidise winter fuel allowances for people in the UK while being unable to keep my own house adequately heated,,   why should I also subsidise their TV watching?

Also if the BBC do charge people abroad, I hope they will start to treat us fairly.  I recently completed a R7 questionnaire,,spending about half an hour answering questions, only to find when I tried to send it that ONLY AT THAT
STAGE ONLY did they advise that it was for UK residents only.  The same applies to programmes.  There may be good reason why they cant be available abroad, but why cant they say so on the schedule instead of waiting until one has looked forward to them and spent time accessing to say not availlable outside \\uk.

  Everyone know there are ways of kidding the system one lives in the UK if one doesnt.   I have played fair by the BBC (OK Im an idiot) by not even considering them.   The BBC does not play fair with me.  And I fear that they are going to try to make overseas listeners pay for the money they are wasting in allowing the boys to play with toys.

Incidentally, purely as a matter of interest since its not an option for me, what about satellite TV?   How does the Beeb get licence fees from listeners in the UK and elsewhere.

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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2011, 12:57:13 AM »
PS   Actually it wasnt I who said the taxpayer was paying for the BBC\'s junkets.  I actually queried it!

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« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2011, 11:09:41 AM »
\"PS Actually it wasnt I who said the taxpayer was paying for the BBC\'s junkets. I actually queried it!\"
P.

I know, I was just clarifying the matter for other people who might only read the last message or two.

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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2011, 11:42:39 AM »
P.
As you know, although the radio is financed out of the licence fee there is no need to have a licence of kind any more. The radio could be heard in nearby parts of Europe without legal problems, as could BBC TV.

When the Free-to-air UK TV channels became available by satellite they were originally encrypted so that they could be watched only by UK viewers. There is no longer any encryption but the satellite now points at the UK and it\'s difficult to get a decent signal in Europe.

There\'s more info and help here :http://www.stevelarkins.freeuk.com/skytv_reception_europe.htm,  http://www.ses-astra.com/business/en/satellite-fleet/satellite-list/astra2d/index.php (sorry, the last one is a bit technical but it shows the coverage area) and http://www.astra2d.com/

The BBC shows this http://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/info/channels_freesat.shtml which lists the TV and Radio that are on Freesat. From the www.freesat.co.uk site \"freesat is a TV service for viewers in the UK. Freesat equipment is only sold in the UK and requires a UK postcode to install. However, it may be possible outside the UK to use a satellite receiver to pick up channels available on freesat. We recommend you take advice from a specialist satellite retailer or installer. \".

So if you follow the advice on the first link, and use Freesat, you might be able to get UK TV and radio. It\'\'s just a satellite dish pointed in the right direction and an ordinary satellite receiver box.  
http://www.maplin.co.uk/tv-and-satellite/satellite.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freesat

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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #41 on: February 19, 2011, 11:53:54 AM »
Just a thought - Freesat is broadcast from Astra (at 28.2E) and Eurobird 1 (at 28.5E).

The Eurobird coverage looks marginally better for a dish located in the Med:
http://www.lyngsat-maps.com/maps/eb1_fixed.html

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« Reply #42 on: February 19, 2011, 12:44:47 PM »
*This raises an interesting point. A fellow sufferer was recently heard to complain that this is contrary to the Magna Carta \"no taxation without representation\". Thinking about it afterwards, surely that is from the American Declaration of Independence!?

I think you guys started it (during the civil war I thought, but I can\'t be sure), we just took it and ran. The actual phrase \"No taxation without representation\" was coined here in the States before the Declaration, if I remember correctly. I know it\'s worded differently in the Declaration itself though.

Can you vote as an ex-pat, Penny?
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Re: Radio 7 abolished
« Reply #43 on: February 19, 2011, 03:10:53 PM »
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> Can you vote as an ex-pat, Penny?

No Jan. that is the point.   After l5 years living abroad expats lo  se the right to vote.   This is despite keeping their citizenship  and being seriously affected by decisions of the |UK Parliament.  I t varies where you live.  There were, for instance, recent court cases where UK expats in some countries (Australia and S. Africa were the two most prominent)  despite paying UK National Insurance and tax all their working life lost index linking to their pensions  so those who had been retired abroad for a long time were facing penury unless their counry of residence supported them ,.W.hich Australia apparently did, but understandably got fed up with effectively subsidising the British Government.  It was widely reported by the responsible press (particularly the Telegaph.) but |I heard little on tthe BBC,  

My pension can only be paid in the |UK so I face two sets of bank charges (excessive in the case of the UK bank) as well as  the lottery of the rate of exchange.  

Despite having registered for internet banking, if I want to transfer a large amount - eg  to transfer some of the proceeds from house sale to a more efficient investment,  or more important an operation, theUK  bank(whom I have been with for over 20 years) treats me like a combination of terrorist  , money launderer and drug trafficker, and the procedures are expensive and time consuming and stressful.

There are loads of others anomolies , as well as  misunderstandings and prejudice in the UK including the Gvt. against expats generally and often also their country of residence.


  Not to mention we, who have experience of conditions abroad ,have no say in foreign policy.

 I could go on and on but its not relevant to these Boards.  What is, is that the BBC reflects the prejudice , maybe even leads it as some of its reporting is very inaccurate.\\\\\\

As a matter of interest, do you know if American expats lose their right to vote, even if they continue to pay tax in the US?

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« Reply #44 on: February 19, 2011, 04:51:27 PM »
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