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Geek Speak / Re: Difficult to log in to this site
« Last Post by Ironeyes on Yesterday at 08:58:23 PM »
This post has been typed and sent on my old laptop running XP and using Chrome. No problem logging in.

Geek Speak / Re: Difficult to log in to this site
« Last Post by Truthyness on August 16, 2018, 02:31:52 AM »
Hi Ed, Hi IE,
I have had one or two glitches ... but mostly due to my own lack of computer literacy.
I am using the latest firefox mozilla browser.
Hope we can get your issue sorted Ed.
R4 Extra (The Station Formerly Known As R7) Matter / Re: You Have to Chuckle
« Last Post by Truthyness on August 15, 2018, 09:51:37 PM »

In these dire times we could use more ...
R4 Extra (The Station Formerly Known As R7) Matter / You Have to Chuckle
« Last Post by IvorThirst on August 15, 2018, 09:12:04 PM »
I was impressed that this morning's Navy Lark paid their respects to the Chuckle Brothers...

"To you, From Me"!!
Geek Speak / Re: Difficult to log in to this site
« Last Post by Ed on August 06, 2018, 11:34:24 AM »
I'm in the UK, but use Win 7 SP1 and Firefox.

For the past several years I've had intermittent problems logging in. I believe, although I'm not certain, that they began when Win 8 was released.

I've noticed that many of the regular posters have even less understanding of computers than I do, so I presume the fact that the whole site had only 3 posts in the whole of July might be related to almost everyone being on some pre-Windows 8 O/S. Certainly I've come across no one here - me included! - who would be up to upgrading their machine to Win 8 or 10 (except as part of buying a new machine). This isn't the type of forum where people would willingly do such a thing, so there could be quite a few users locked-out.

It can't be that 4 Extra is more boring than it was in June!

In fact the station has actually been getting better in the last three months. A lot of releases of 'lost' episodes, in particular. 'Take It From Here', 'Beyond Our Ken' and 'Clitheroe Kid' have all seen a flurry of supposedly long lost episodes in the past 2 months, that the Beeb have suddenly unexpectedly decided they have not wiped after all.

Geek Speak / Re: Difficult to log in to this site
« Last Post by Ironeyes on August 06, 2018, 10:37:59 AM »

I am in the UK, using WIN 8.1 and Chrome and have had no difficulty in the last four weeks,
although thinking about it, I can't remember ever having troubles logging in here.
Geek Speak / Re: Download TV or Radio using only the 8-digit PID
« Last Post by Ed on August 06, 2018, 10:13:43 AM »
Sorry I didn't reply to you. But today is the first time since the end of May that I've been able to log-in to this forum. Haven't any idea why, but it isn't the first time I've been unable to log in here. However, in the past the problem hasn't persisted for such a long time.

I do not run a highly sophisticated system. I don't have the technical ability to run, for example, linux. I use Windows 7 and Firefox. Perhaps this site now requires Windows 10 or Chrome: if so, it's beyond my ability to figure out a workaround (though I'm open to suggestions).

As far as the BBC iPlayer is concerned, understanding it is far beyond me. It uses professionally designed scripts, in industrial quantities. My programing skills are nil. I only post here practical solutions that anyone might bodge together using a simple batch file and a bit of commonsense.

Most of the ideas I post are researched from other internet forums run by and for audio and video enthusiasts.

You're now talking about certificate validation. I have absolutely no idea what that is, and thus can't follow the logic of your argument. I don't doubt what you say. My only possible contribution to such a discussion though is the point I made initially: the Youtube-dl.exe program offers a method for avoiding the need to validate, and I recommend doing that. I can't comment on the technicalities of why this suddenly became necessary. No idea why it became necessary.

As far as I'm aware, if you adopt the procedure I've recommend here, you will still be able to use Youtube-dl to do the downloading (under Windows, on a system running Windows Vista or Windows 7). AFAIK this applies to all on-demand radio shows on BBC iplayer (so far I've not experimented, due to pressure of time, with television shows on iPlayer; nor with the program get_iplayer).

On 1st May, my original batch file stopped working. In order to get it working again, I had to make the two changes to it which I've described in this thread.

Your experience might be different. I expect that anyone running Windows 8 or 10 will have an easier time of it, because Windows 7 is an older O/S, and the BBC site might cause it problems that it doesn't cause with Windows 10. Since you don't have the same problem, I would expect to find that you are running Win 8 or Win 10 or Linux, and that the difficulty I experienced is limited to Windows 7 or earlier. Since I've already solved the problem for anyone affected  by it, I don't think you need to worry about it, if you're not affected personally.

I do not use a vpn, I do not use a proxy. I do not use a mobile. I am using an ordinary desktop PC, running Windows 7. I am in the UK. My isp is TalkTalk. I am on a normal broadband connection, i.e. down a telephone line. I don't use a mobile device, nor a wireless connection.

As far as I can see, because I don't use a browser to handle the downloading I can't be suffering from some fault related to a proxy. I only use a batch file and youtube-dl, to download, not a browser plug-in. At one time I made some use of a greasemonkey plug-in for Firefox, but I stopped using that some time ago. Now I just get the stream url from this address (the 8 zero's must be replaced by the 8 digit vpid, now called an 'id' instead of a 'vpid', and that is available on the Beebotron site for each on-demand radio broadcast) -

You can find the actual VPID (now often termed an ID), for an individual radio show, on one of these pages -

Actually, I'm not looking for you to diagnose the problem. As far as know, I don't have a problem. I've simply posted a solution.
Geek Speak / Difficult to log in to this site
« Last Post by Ed on August 06, 2018, 09:05:17 AM »
Thought I would comment on why there are currently so few posts being made on this forum.

One reason, certainly in my case, is the difficulty of logging in to this site for the past 8 weeks. Today is the first time I've succeeded in logging in, and even today I still had to overcome difficulties. Wish I knew what the cause is, but I've no idea.

This forum has often given me problems in the past, but never to quite this extent.

I mention it only because it seems likely to be a reason for the recent inactivity on the site. And in case, when I log off, it's another two months before you hear from me again, I'd like to leave a record of the reason why I didn't/haven't/couldn't respond to any posts on any threads here recently.


Radio 4
Book at Bedtime

This one's really TOPS! Pity to miss out. It streams like a meditation. Best heard undisturbed to be relished. Read adapted and written perfectly. (animal lovers skip the goat scene ... episode 6?)
19 days left to listen

The Day the Old Life Ended
Book at Bedtime, The Shepherd's Hut Episode 1 of 10

Adam Fitzgerald reads the new novel by the acclaimed author Tim Winton. Set in Western Australia, this is a heartwrenchingly brutal and yet lyrical tale of survival in the outback featuring the irrepressible Jaxie Clackton. Still in his teens, damaged, sullen and angry, Jaxie's life has always been harsh. He's grown up in a world of knives and guns, hunters and drinkers. But things are about to change for Jaxie. But then, you must always be careful what you wish for...

Writer: Tim Winton is Australia's most acclaimed contemporary novelist. He has won the Miles Franklin Award four times. His books include: Shallows, Riders, Cloudstreet and Breath.
Abridger: Richard Hamilton
Reader: Adam Fitzgerald
Producer: Justine Willett.
Yes I was planning on doing a search there for a post shortly. Still I guess there's so much flottsam out there in space ... have to put the limit on somewhere ...
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