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Well, some trustworthy websites have reported, in respect of the original 1947 serial, that all the episodes have been found, but that they are not widely available. Here, for instance -

http://www.old-time.com/otrlogs2/pt_.log.txt

This recovery has not been released by BBC Radio Collection.

However, I understand from Charles Norton that the recovery is genuine; but I do not have any details of what format the recordings survive on, or what the audio quality is like. If they need a lot of restoration it may be some time before they surface in broadcastable form.

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Yes, but I suspect you\'ve never heard Kim Peacock - or Howard Marion Crawford! - in action, because if you had you might not be so quick to use phrases beginning with \'glorious\'...

Incidentally, rumour has it that since the 2006 Radio 4 remake of this serial, a complete set of the original recordings of The Sullivan Mystery from 1947-48 starring Kim Peacock have been recovered.

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To make a comparison, whether you prefer Sean Connery, or Sir Rog, they (obviously) can\'t both look like Ian Fleming\'s description of James Bond! This is a drawback to any dramatisation of a novel.

However, on radio it is - at least in theory - possible that a listener will not know what Philip Madoc looks like. Apart from a triumphant appearance in \'Dads Army\', he hasn\'t had a high profile career, and he certainly isn\'t as well known a face as Roger Moore. So what an actor looks like is perhaps not very important, when you can\'t see them.

I don\'t actually like readings, on radio. Audiobooks are all well and good in their rightful place, but they are not \"proper\" radio. I prefer a dramatisation, because radio is a performance medium. In a novel, there\'s no scope for the characters to have an existence seperate from the bland description on the page. At its most basic, Ellis Peters - bless her - could not give Cadfael a Welsh accent: English and Welsh characters can\'t be distinguished in her novels merely by reading the dialogue (if you don\'t know Cadfael is supposed to be Welsh, nothing in his dialogue will tell you, because that\'s impossible to portray in writing). But on radio, Philip Madoc can give him an accent.

The BBC\'s audience is not \"increasingly illiterate\". It is simply illiterate, full stop. You\'ll never reach an audience which can\'t read - or won\'t read - through literature. But a dramatisation can bring to life a dull Victorian novel, in a way that a mere reading cannot. To take a simple example, Victorian \"bodice rippers\" have a whole new meaning in performance, that you just don\'t get on the page! This is a male perspective, of course; but I\'ve also known women who were quite taken with that bloke who played Mr Darcy in \'Pride and Prejudice\'.

Is Agatha Christie really the ultimate example of good writing? I thought that that accolade was reserved for Tolkein! The Dame is the ultimate example of good plotting, but IMHO her writing style is not generally better than, say, PG Wodehouse. Ellis Peters has a rather good writing style.

John Wyndham\'s style is a bit plodding for me; and he doesn\'t really write Science Fiction. He wrote Dystopian fiction, but apart from its Dystopian vision of the worlds which he created it was quite ordinary. In \'Day of the Triffids\', the Triffids are the only science fiction element in the entire book; which, otherwise, is just a re-writing of the HG Wells story, \'In the Kingdom of the Blind\'.

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The wonderful Philip Madoc is back on Radio 7 as Brother Cadfael all next week, from Monday to Friday (November 1st to 5th), in a repeat of the 5-part serial \"Monk\'s Hood\", airing every lunchtime at 1.00pm with repeats at 8.00pm and 1.00am.

I\'ve always prefered these radio adaptations over the ITV television version. Philip Madoc is, after all, authentically Welsh, which makes him a far better choice to play the part of the Welsh sleuth than the much too obviously English Derek Jacobi.

Also, the radio format gives the cast two and a half hours to present the story, as opposed to the too-rushed 90 minute format on ITV. There seemed to me to be a huge credibility gap in the stories on television, due to so much of the plot having to be omitted because of lack of time. Perhaps this isn\'t so obvious to a viewer who has never read any of the novels, and never heard any of the radio serials; but I found it a tremendous drawback.

There was also a rather squalid impression about the tv version. The cast didn\'t keep up the honourable tradition of Richard Greene in \'The Adventures of Robin Hood\', nor that in any of the other period ITC serials. In \'Cadfael\' the medieval age was presented a bit too realistically, as just a bit too grubby. The sets and costumes lost too much of the glamour of traditional productions. Even the Michael Praed \'Robin Hood\' had avoided the out-and-out grimness that hung over \'Cadfael\'.

Because of the lack of pictures, something which radio shares with the novels, it\'s really the ideal way to adapt them. Although the reality of the early middle ages was undoubtedly much nastier than the romantic illusions projected by Richard Greene, Michael Praed and Ellis Peters, I think, on the whole, I prefer the romantic illusions!

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I was going to break the good news, but I see you\'ve beaten me to it!

The Paul Temple serial, \'The Sullivan Mystery\', begins on Monday 1st November on BBC Radio 7 (at 1.30pm, 8.30pm and 1.30am).

This is an 8-part serial. But no sign of the much missed Peter Coke and Marjorie Westbury, as this is a repeat of the 2006 Radio 4 production of the lost 1947 serial. So this stars Crawford Logan (who attentive listeners will have spotted on Radio 7 last week, in \'Earthsearch II\'), with Gerda Stevenson, and features Gareth Thomas from \'Blakes 7\'.

Regular listeners to Radio 4 will be aware that Gareth will eventually settle down into the role of Sir Graham Forbes, head of Scotland Yard, in the later Radio 4 serials of 2008 and 2010. But in this first Radio 4 production he\'s \"doing a David Benson\", by playing more or less every minor character in the show.

This is a terrifically authentic remake: using period music and sound effects, period microphones - the works! Probably, the 1947 serial sounded nothing like as good! Peter Coke\'s descriptions of how technically challenged the early serials were, supported by hearing some of the original recordings from the wartime serials, suggest that this will be a much better listen - and Peter wasn\'t even playing the lead in the 1947 production, so we don\'t have to regret its loss quite as much.

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Geek Speak / Re: Downloading BBC iPlayer using RTMPdump
« on: October 07, 2010, 07:41:01 AM »
Play a Radio stream while downloading it

Here\'s my solution for playing a live stream whilst rtmpdump is saving it to disk, or for playing an on-demand stream whilst rtmpdump is downloading it, using Windows 98.

Note - The following solution will work for ANY download of a radio or television show (even non-BBC shows), using ANY download method (not just rtmpdump). Even if you use an automated downloader such as get_iplayer or iplayer_dl the following procedure will play the file while it\'s still downloading - a godsend for live streams!)

This uses the program FFPLAY.EXE (which is included in standard distributions of ffmpeg). You run it in a seperate (i.e. second) DOS window at the same time that rtmpdump is downloading the rtmp stream in a DOS window.

Here\'s a version of ffmpeg which will run under Windows 98 (SVN-r16573) (13 Jan 2009): http://ffmpeg.arrozcru.org/builds/shared/ffmpeg-r16537-gpl-shared-win32.tar.bz2

(Note: The latest ffmpeg version which runs on Win9x is release r21874)

An important point is that the batch file must be in the same folder (directory) into which rtmpdump is saving the rtmp stream.

Another important point is that both RTMPDUMP and FFPLAY must be set to use .FLV as the file type, because the batch file (see below) sets FFPLAY to play any file with that file type in the current directory.


1. Playing a Radio show while downloading it

This is the content of my successful batch (.BAT) file for a radio show (using the option -vn to specify no video, as this is a radio stream) -

[COLOR=\"green\"]:: Syntax
:: ffplay [options] \'input_file\'

:: Play radio stream while it\'s downloading[/COLOR]
[COLOR=\"red\"]\"C:\\Program Files\\ffmpeg\\ffplay.exe\" -vn *.flv[/COLOR]

(Note: This works for both a Live stream and an On-demand stream)


Here\'s an alternative command line -

Play a Radio stream as it Downloads: With Buffer, No Display

[COLOR=\"red\"]\"C:\\Program Files\\ffmpeg\\ffplay.exe\" -vn -nodisp -bufsize 4096 *.flv[/COLOR]


2. Playing a TV show while downloading it

I then tried this procedure on a television stream, successfully. I was astonished at how the crappy performance of Flash Player on Windows 98 was magically replaced  by a perfect video stream. The TV stream (an on-demand tv show) played perfectly, with no hesitating or dropped frames.

I used only one trick! I didn\'t start the show playing in FFPLAY until rtmpdump had been downloading the show for 15 seconds, thus building-in a 15 second buffer.

Note: I had set rtmpdump to save the TV show as a file with the extension .mp4 on this occasion. If you save a show as a .flv file, remember to alter the command line (below) from *.mp4 to *.flv instead.

It was a revelation, using the following command line in the above batch file instead of the radio command -

Play on-demand TV show with 4MB Buffer

[COLOR=\"red\"]\"C:\\Program Files\\ffmpeg\\ffplay.exe\" -bufsize 4096 *.mp4[/COLOR]

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Too often their sloppiness does lead to the end of a programme being cut-off.

This doesn\'t usually happen, because they normally put up radio shows onto the iPlayer in 36 minute chunks, hence allowing 3 minutes before and 3 minutes after each half-hour show. But sometimes, due to an error or a technical glitch, a half-hour show gets put up as just that: a 30 minute chunk. Then the end can sometimes get missed off.

Where the show is a non-standard length, as was the case with \"Ladies Of Letters\" this week, which was 1 hour 15 minutes, errors sometimes creep in.

But, to be fair, the final episode of \"Ladies of Letters\" had been broadcast only 2 days before and was still on the iPlayer in full, if you cared to listen to it, even though the weekend\'s omnibus repeat had the end missing.

Personally, I prefered \"Ladies Of Letters dot com\" and didn\'t think \"LOL Say No\" was as good.

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Geek Speak / Re: Downloading BBC iPlayer using RTMPdump
« on: September 25, 2010, 03:18:47 PM »
I\'m very much aware of get_iplayer. I had a lively e-mail correspondence with Phil, as I tried to provide perspectives on it from a Windows user\'s point-of-view. It was developed for Linux, so always presented problems for Windows users. Phil thought it was truly cross-platform, and I didn\'t have the heart to point out why it really wasn\'t.

As a Perl script, get_iplayer was especially complicated for average Windows users - generally turning out to be their first encounter with Perl. And as Phil often complained to me, his script just didn\'t run properly on the standard Windows variants of Perl. Eventually it was possible to run it on ActivePerl instead, but the dependence on Perl was always a drawback (because trying to install Perl for the first time further complicated an already difficult situation).

It gradually became impossible for Phil to maintain get_iplayer for Windows 98, and on Windows the program slowly morphed into an XP-only program. Then Phil abandoned development, and it\'s now maintained by a different developer, who also hasn\'t been able to cure the problems that restrict it to WinXP and later.

It still works on Windows 98 in a limited way. Actually, I suppose it works \"as advertised\", since it was originally touted only as a solution for downloading the iphone mp3 stream, and it still does do that. But under Win98 it no longer works at all with rtmpdump, so I migrated my efforts onto rtmpdump instead.

All the solutions I\'ve posted in this thread are rtmpdump solutions (for the latest version that runs on Win98, namely rtmpdump v2.1d). Flvstreamer only works on Windows XP, not under Win98. But rtmpdump works fine on Win98. For anyone running WinXP, rtmpdump v2.2 is also available (but this, too, doesn\'t run on Win98).

I decided to take a crack at a \"bare bones\" solution using rtmpdump - which culminated in the solutions I\'ve posted here: two options for every Listen Again show (i.e. a choice of mp3 or mp4 audio), and an mp4 option for the Live stream. Actually, the Live stream has two options as well, since you can optionally save either the high quality 128 kbps stream or the low quality 48 kbps stream, depending which of the alternatives in the slist= item you put in the identifier= item.

I hope it\'s an easier solution. It\'s just a single Windows executable program (rtmpdump.exe), with no need to install ActivePerl for Windows, and no need to keep downloading new versions of the get_iplayer script (which Phil updated about twice a week).


Note -

There is yet another stream revealled by the Media Selector page for each radio show, and for the Live stream: a wma stream (actually an mms: stream) running at 96 kbps. This can be downloaded without needing get_iplayer or rtmpdump, as it\'s wma (and so not a Flash rtmp stream at all).

This wma stream can be downloaded using a traditional GUI program for Win98, called SDP Multimedia v2.0.0 -

Windows 9x version: http://www.3113.com/joefrank/tools/STREAM%20SAVER%20SDP2_0_0.zip

Or get the Windows XP version (only runs on WinXP and later): http://sdp.ppona.com

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Geek Speak / Downloading BBC iPlayer using RTMPdump
« on: September 15, 2010, 08:53:56 PM »
How to use RTMPdump.exe with the BBC iPlayer for radio -

I use RTMPdump v2.1d (running Windows 98):
http://rtmpdump.mplayerhq.hu/download/rtmpdump-2.1d-windows.zip

One general point, first. The -o (output) option is chosen by you, the user. You can call the output file whatever you like. If you leave it as the default that I\'ve chosen, do re-name the file to something more useful as soon as you\'ve finished downloading it! Otherwise, the next file you download will overwrite (delete) it!

The colours of the text are only to help you understand what I\'ve done. Don\'t expect a batch file (a plain text Notepad file with the extension .bat instead of .txt) to contain anything except black-and-white text!

To use this type of Batch file, you may need extra initial DOS memory. So right-click on the .BAT file and select \'Create Shortcut\'. Then right-click on the shortcut (a .PIF file), select \'Properties\', and on the Memory tab in the \'Initial environment\' box select at least 1024 KB of memory, or preferably select 4096; then click on \'Apply\'. Then double-click that shortcut PIF in order to run the Batch file.

These are FLV files (an aac encoded audio file, wrapped in an MP4 audio container, all contained in an FLV wrapper). FLV files can be played using GOM Player: http://www.filehippo.com/download_gom_player/6508/


A. For the highest quality MP4 Audio (MP4 or M4A) file

Use the following command line -

rtmpdump --protocol 0 --host bbcmedia.fcod.llnwd.net -a path?as=data&av=data&te=data&mp=data&et=data&fmta-token=data -y mp4:URL/filename.mp4 -o file_mp4.flv


The parts comprising the -a (or --app) element must be incorporated in it in the order shown above, as the sequence in which its parts are received by the RTMP server is critical.

The authentication strings (et= and fmta-token=) contain session information, so will change on each fresh connection made to the server (which in practice typically means they will expire if a new session is begun, not literally on every attempt to resume a connection), but the other elements will not usually vary from session to session.

In the examples, below, you need to alter the et= string and the fmta-token= string in every session. And you also need to alter the mp= and the identifier= strings, but only once for each radio programme (those latter two stay the same for that particular radio show all week).


B. For an MP3 file

Use this command line -

rtmpdump --protocol 0 --host bbcmedia.edgefcs.net -a ondemand?auth=data&aifp=data&slist=data -y mp3:URL/filename -o file_mp3.flv


As before, the parts comprising the -a (or --app) element must be incorporated in it in the order shown above, as the sequence in which its parts are received by the RTMP server is critical.

The authentication string (auth=) contains session information, so will change on each fresh connection made to the server (typically, if a new session is begun, e.g. the computer is restarted, not literally on every attempt to resume a connection). The other elements will not usually vary from session to session.

In the examples, below, you need to alter the auth= string in every session. And you also need to alter the slist= and the identifier= strings, but only once for each radio programme (those latter two stay the same for that particular radio show all week).


Note - The above describes the simplified form, whereby the stream is first saved to the user\'s hard disk, to be played back thereafter in a media player capable of playing an FLV encoded file (H.263 or H.264 encoding), such as GOM Player. If it\'s desired, instead, to play the stream directly from the RTMP server, I don\'t know how to do that.


The Radio iPlayer in practice

Here are two examples, from the BBC\'s Radio iPlayer. Both of these are for an on-demand (\'Listen Again\') file. These examples can\'t be used with a Live stream.

(NB: In principle these would be similar with a TV show, but in practice TV is rather more complicated because there can be up to six bitstreams to deal with at each step. Also, a 50 minute TV show will result in a download of up to 800MB as compared with 30MB for a 30 minute radio show.)

First, get the URL of the page that plays the radio show you want from this page -

 [COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio7/programmes/schedules[/COLOR]

Second, open the Playlist page (replace the 8 zero\'s with the 8 digit ID number from the URL of the page that plays the radio show in question):-

 [COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlist/[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]00000000[/COLOR]

Third, open the Media Selector page (replace the 8 zero\'s with the 8 digit Identifier from the Playlist page), as the Media Selector page contains all the information needed below:-

 [COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/mtis/stream/[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]00000000[/COLOR]

To resume an interrupted download, add the option --resume to the command.


A. The highest quality on-demand stream: AAC in MP4A in FLV -

In the Media Selector page, find the section marked bitrate=\"128\" and encoding=\"aac\". All the details come from that section.

This is the contents of my .BAT batch file (you will change all the BLUE text) -

[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]SET mp=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]bbc7/secure_auth/modem/RBN2_bbc7_-_wednesday_1300_b006v244_2010_08_25_13_00_33.mp4,bbc7/secure_auth/RBN2_bbc7_-_wednesday_1300_b006v244_2010_08_25_13_00_06.mp4[/COLOR]

[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]SET et=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]1282760597[/COLOR]

[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]SET fmta-token=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]7d9c1938f53e65d3a30a0d9e313a917d580ec0055ecfa5b9d45bb35dc1aa7593[/COLOR]

[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]SET identifier=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]mp4:bbc7/secure_auth/RBN2_bbc7_-_wednesday_1300_b006v244_2010_08_25_13_00_33.mp4[/COLOR]

[COLOR=\"Red\"]rtmpdump --protocol 0 --host bbcmedia.fcod.llnwd.net -a a1414/e3?as=adobe-hmac-sha256&av=1&te=connect&mp=%mp%&et=%et%&fmta-token=%fmta-token% -y %identifier% -o output_mp4a.flv[/COLOR]

Note - Batch files are explained at http://www.computerhope.com/batch.htm


B. The MP3 on-demand stream: MP3 in FLV -

In the Media Selector page, find the section marked bitrate=\"128\" and encoding=\"mp3\". All the details come from that section.

This is the contents of my .BAT batch file (you will change all the BLUE text) -

[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set server=[/COLOR]cp48188.edgefcs.net
[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set auth=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]daEdwabaccObnascHdZbCb4d7cxcRanc5bf-bmI9Jl-bWG-DnmDCpwoIBvGqzD[/COLOR]
[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set aifp=[/COLOR]v001
[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set slist=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]secure/bbc7/RBN2_bbc7_-_saturday_1000_b005yg5q_2010_09_11_12_36_00[/COLOR]
[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set identifier=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]mp3:secure/bbc7/RBN2_bbc7_-_saturday_1000_b005yg5q_2010_09_11_12_36_00[/COLOR]

[COLOR=\"Red\"]rtmpdump --protocol 0 --host %server% -a ondemand?auth=%auth%&aifp=%aifp%&slist=%slist% -y %identifier% -o output_mp3.flv[/COLOR]


C. The MP4 live stream: AAC in MP4 in FLV -

For the live stream, you only need the Media Selector page.

To open the Media Selector page you use a special name for the radio station, instead of using the 8-digit ID number (because, unlike the individual radio programmes, the station name always stays the same). The station names are:-

  bbc_radio_one
  bbc_radio_two
  bbc_radio_three
  bbc_radio_fourfm
  bbc_radio_five_live
  bbc_6music
  bbc_7

This is the Media Selector page\'s URL address (you replace the BLUE text with the station name, then paste the result into the Address line of your browser) -

 [COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/mtis/stream/[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[/COLOR]


When the Media Selector page opens, find the section marked bitrate=\"128\" and encoding=\"aac\". All the details come from that section.

This is the contents of my .BAT batch file (you will change all the BLUE text) -

[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set server=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]cp60691.live.edgefcs.net[/COLOR]
[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set auth=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]daEdzb5dMd4bHdzdea4abdBcibXdbaQcud0-bmNFCF-bWG-GosGIqCoIEsHrwI[/COLOR]
[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set slist=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]Radio_7_UK_Low@s7081;Radio_7_UK@s6464[/COLOR]
[COLOR=\"darkgreen\"]set identifier=[/COLOR][COLOR=\"blue\"]Radio_7_UK@s6464[/COLOR]

[COLOR=\"red\"]rtmpdump --live --protocol 0 --host %server% -a live?auth=%auth%&aifp=v001&slist=%slist% --playpath %identifier%?auth=%auth%&aifp=v001&slist=%slist% -o live_mp4.flv[/COLOR]

The above example is for Radio 7. For that station, the server is always cp60691.live.edgefcs.net and the identifier is always Radio_7_UK@s6464 so only the auth= and slist= items need to be changed. (If you want to record a different station, say Radio 4, then all four of the set instructions will be different.)

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The cost of the on-line BBC iPlayer, which provides not only BBC Radio 7 but also Radios 1, 2, 3 and 4, and the BBC television service, is revealled here:

http://www.certpiles.com/how-much-does-the-bbc-iplayer-cost-to-run/

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You sound like the sort of person who should never, ever, consider taking a job with a hidebound bureaucracy like the Beeb! Normal people would go barking mad in a month, working for them.

Re-reading the survey questions, I\'m inclined to give the BBC Trust the benefit of the doubt. On the whole, my experience of the Trust has been positive; much more so than with the old Board of Governors. The Trust seems to be genuinely independent of the hideous bureaucracy that actually runs the Beeb.

I think the questions (which can\'t in any way constrain the answers!) try to be neutral. None of them really offended me: I didn\'t think I was being pushed one way or another.

Questions such as \"How well do you think Radio 3 does this?\" and \"What do you think about the range of music played on Radio 3?\" and \"What do you think about the programmes on Radio 7? \" are pretty harmless questions!

And it isn\'t the Trust which is harming morale at BBC 7. It\'s the BBC Management, with their proposal to abolish the station. But I doubt anyone\'s morale is being damaged: the proposal from the hideous crew of \"suits\" is to change the station\'s output, so that it only repeats current Radio 4 shows, not to sack the staff. The station will still need staffing, so a lot of the (fairly small) team of BBC 7 staffers will survive. They all might survive!

But all the current output (from the Sound Archives) will be lost.

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Well yes, Penelope. Whenever I\'m talking to the BBC I certainly do feel like I\'m a voice shouting in the wilderness!

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I was a bit taken aback by the production of \'Gaudy Night\'. It came across more as an audio book than a radio play, as the character Harriet Vane simply recited large chunks of the plot.

I can understand why BBC Radio weren\'t interested back in the 1980s. Ian Carmichael wasn\'t in one episode at all, and made only a couple of fleeting appearances overall in the first three. He wasn\'t investigating the mystery in any real sense; it was Harriet who was doing that.

Nice though it was to hear Mr Carmichael, when he finally did appear, this wasn\'t really a Lord Peter Wimsey investigation. I could quite see why it took a further 20 years before the Beeb finally decided to produce this.

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Hello again folks.

I\'ve been unfortunately sidetracked by the usual slew of computer-related problems, and family-related problems; and in trying to keep up with some excellent Ian Carmichael shows on BBC 7 itself.

In her latest newsletter, last Friday, Mary does finally come close to admitting that a large axe is hovering over the station. I think she expects to be the Controller of the new station, however, and so I don\'t think she is personally very worried. But I do know that she has received a number of e-mails privately, urging her to say what she has now finally said, about the need for listeners to respond to the BBC Trust\'s consultation.

Certainly, it would be helpful if listeners were to respond individually: the BBC Trust will then get a greater volume of replies. To a certain extent this is a \"counting heads\" procedure, hence the more responses they get in favour of preserving the station, the better its chances. It would be less effective if just one response was sent on behalf of everyone at Beebotron. Much better if every member of the forum replies individually.

I was amused to see that the automated forum script had posted my message, \'BBC Radio 7 to be abolished\', as \'BBC Radio 7 to be abolished by Ed\'. And I would like to mention that it\'s not me who\'s trying to abolish it! :-)

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